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November 07, 2012

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I don't know, Livermore has wineries :) As for the art, the unfortunate thing is that the park service may not be happy with the artist if she didn't get permission. Even if the concrete is man made, and the art installation is an improvement, in my opinion, the park service may disagree. Hopefully not, but they might.

Livermore? Someone is suggesting "Live-no-more" as an improvement on what exists now in Pacifica?

I see what you mean, Todd. Can't blame me for trying.

Todd:

Par for the course. You never answer a simple question.

If you don't back up what you say, it is a waste of bandwidth and no one takes you seriously.

At least I make my points and views clear, unlike some people.

Just saying.

Jim, you'll be waiting a lot longer if you are expecting me to answer to you.

Dan, the only dump in Park Pacifica or San Pedro Valley I can think of was Frontierland Park. I know that dump site well because I went to Oddstad when the dump was being used. The only other dump site I can think of was Mussel Rock, which, being right on the fault line and right on the ocean, was another poor site.

You may want to ask the city what they are doing with all the remediation money the garbage company pays to remediate the dump site.

The plans Peebles, had drawn up were drawings. Nothing he proposed went to the Planning Commission or City Council.

You keep saying builders and developers want to pave the whole city over and make it look like Daly City, not only you but your noobee crowd. The Waste Water Treatment plant, Palmetto, The Quarry, Oddstad School site, and the parcel on Pedro Point. Probably the only development parcels left. To claim the hills want to be built on is pretty asinine.

At one time Oddstad was to connect over the hill to San Bruno. City plans were for the city to have about 80,000-90,000 people.

Some cities like Livermore are good at bringing well-thought-out plans and projected into the city. Livermore, knows how to make money.

http://livermore.patch.com/articles/livermore-outlets-grand-opening-attracted-350-000-visitors

I bet that added a nice chunk of change into the city's bank account.

Bray, I have been waiting since 2005-2006 to hear a way to bring money into the city from you; as of today I haven't heard one idea.

Dan, the Yessies aren't (or rather can't be) honest about land use issues in town. The same old lies are usually followed up by the same old excuses. When they don't get their way, they resort to the name calling, like "you hippies" and what not, or the standard fibbing. Good for you to attempt reason, but you are fighting Dogma.

@ Jim Alex, in the order in which it was received:
“I find it quite disturbing that you do not have a problem with a city that can no longer pay for basic services.” (I do find it appalling that our town and so many towns throughout our state and nation are having trouble paying for basic services. It appears to me that our differences have more to do with what caused this problem and what we need to do about it.)
“The Quarry Project by Peebles wasn't perfect, but it was a pretty good project, only to be spoiled by lies and untruths by the nobees. The battle cry was traffic and you're going to pave and build a city out of the quarry.” (I am not clear on what all that means but what was in writing on the ballot from Peebles was only about a variance to allow more housing than the property is zoned for. All of the other wonderful promises that he wouldn't put in writing were, as Samuel Goldwyn sagely pointed out, “A verbal contract isn't worth the
paper it's written on.“)
“The Old Waste Water treatment plant project was given to the handpicked group who didn't have any track record in building projects. They were just experts in shoveling BS around town.” (I gotta admit I haven't followed this one very well so I can't shed any light on it.)
“The project on Palmetto was appealed by one of the council members who couldn't even give a reason why he appealed it.” (Again, I wasn't present for this one.)
“Highway 1 has been kicked around for the last 30+ years and you think this is OK?” (I agree with you that Highway 1 has its problems and the primary reason that it has been 30+ years that the issue has been kicked around stems from the fact that Pacifica is a really unlikely sort of town in the first place. It is a series of tiny valleys with no communication between them other than Highway 1. These valleys wouldn't have become a town at all but for San
Bruno's very bad plan to make a solid waste dump out of the back of the San Pedro Valley. I think that it is a good thing that all of those coast dwellers opted to incorporate into this strange little town. Our location and
configuration do present some unique problems, some of which have everything
to do with our primary artery, Highway 1. Many of the proposed “solutions” to
traveler's inconveniences on Highway 1 [and particularly the ones that Caltrans has been and is presently trying to ram down our throats] have little or nothing to do with solving the problems of Pacifica commuters. There is no end to the number of developers who might hope to make some money building on this
stretch of coast. Some of them I have supported, including most recently the
Walgreens in Pacific Manor, and the Fresh and Easy on Pedro Point and the Calimara project on Milagra Ridge, but I don't believe that Caltrans has our best interests at heart. I believe that the plan they are pushing (by not
adjusting the timing of the lights so that commuters won't be stuck in traffic
every day) is to facilitate the development of all of the coastal farm land to where we have all the ambiance and urban dystopia of Daly City all the way from here and Santa Cruz. I think this is NOT OK and I encourage us all to
give it some thought and action.)
“A sports bar/brew pub was planned on Palmetto and it was briefly discussed, only to be dismissed due to noise and traffic. Oh, and Palmetto is supposed to be, and is being proposed as, the new crown jewel downtown area.” (I know nothing of the “sports bar/brew pub” and I don't know why the idea was
rejected so I don't have anything to contribute on this subject.)
“And you wonder why no one wants to invest any money in town. “ (I gotta say, I don't wonder. Most large investors draw a circle around a projected business site and then count the number of potential customers within the circle. In Pacifica, half of one's circle would be out at sea in the very famous Pacific
Ocean and half of the other half would be on unbuildable and unstable hills that contain exactly zero customers.)

Dan,

I find it quite disturbing that you do not have a problem with a city that can no longer pay for basic services. Our PD is understaffed and looking at being taken over by the San Mateo County Sheriffs Office to save money. The Fire Department already went to the Daly City-North Cities in a cost-cutting move. Police Dispatch went to South San Francisco. The roads and infrastructure are failing. The sewer plant needs very expensive repairs. The Beach Blvd. retaining wall/seawall is crumbling, and the Pier is corroded.

The Quarry Project by Peebles wasn't perfect, but it was a pretty good project, only to be spoiled by lies and untruths by the nobees. The battle cry was traffic and you're going to pave and build a city out of the quarry.

The Old Waste Water treatment plant project was given to the handpicked group who didn't have any track record in building projects. They were just experts in shoveling BS around town.

The project on Palmetto was appealed by one of the council members who couldn't even give a reason why he appealed it.

Highway 1 has been kicked around for the last 30+ years and you think this is OK?

A sports bar/brew pub was planned on Palmetto and it was briefly discussed, only to be dismissed due to noise and traffic. Oh, and Palmetto is supposed to be, and is being proposed as, the new crown jewel downtown area.

And you wonder why no one wants to invest any money in town.

I haven't responded to the last comment of Jim Alex because I assume that he knows the falsehood of all that, but there are new people in town all the time, so it may be important that somebody address the "no growth" meme every time it gets paraded about. It gets paraded about every election and every time one of these guys comes up with some really bad idea that the majority of Pacificans don't support. Every City Council we have ever had (in my experience) gets accused of being "no growth," usually immediately after the public (and it tends to be the public rather than the council) puts the kibosh on somebody's favorite McMansion project. I haven't met anyone in Pacifica or anywhere else who is anti-growth, or anti-progress, or anti-all-that-is-good-and-wholesome.

Yeah, Dan, I am stuck in traffic because you and your buddies don't want any progress made around town!

You close your eyes when you drive by Mori Point?
Please don't do that.

That is what I look like when I drive by Mori Point. I close my eyes.

The lower third could have been built on!

Are those machine guns above the mural? Did she add those too?

I appreciate that she keeps the quality of her graffiti up to where we and future archeologists can all enjoy it.

My point is not to belittle the work. It does look nice, but what is to stop people from now painting any concrete areas at Mori Point in any way they see fit? How does GGNRA feel about this?

This type of work does seem to be in step with keeping Mori Point a natural space.

I wonder if this is an image of one of the Ohlone people who used to live here?

Call it whatever you want.

"How is this not considered graffiti?"

As Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once famously said about obscenity: "I know it when I see it!"

Thank you for making Mori Point even MORE beautiful.

How is this not considered graffiti?

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