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Thank you, Nick! I've shared your contact info with all my Facebook and Twitter contacts.

Facts matter. I'll sign up for any volunteer work.

Please visit to learn about the organization started by Pacifica residents to respond to these excessive & destructive development plans. We're a fact-based organization looking to preserve this cherished open-space hillside. We're also addressing the growing number of safety concerns related to this cumulative project comprising Hillside Meadows, Linda Mar Woods, and the unnamed third parcel between the two. We encourage the community's input and support, you can sign up for our mailing list, or donate to our nonprofit via the website.

We also welcome the opinions and input of our fellow Pacifica residents who believe developments like these are a good idea. Open civil discourse is valuable and important. At the end of the day, we believe Pacifica's future should be determined by those who live here now and will be living here in the future with the repercussions of the decisions we now make.

To clear up some of the discussions in this thread, you can view the plans of these real estate speculators on these links (their documentation as submitted to the Pacifica Planning Department):

Here's a video created by our community that provides a visual description of the proposed development:

We need the development of affordable housing, not more luxury housing at the cost of Pacifica's open-space hillsides.

How can you help?
--Spread awareness about this project & its impacts, and spread word about our efforts.
--Donate to help fund the efforts to preserve this natural open space.
--Stay civil & fact-based.

Thank you.

Peter George:

You say that the Pacifica General Plan prohibits development along ridgelines. I am very familiar with the Pacifica General Plan and your statement is not correct.

Regarding ridgelines, it says under Land Use Element on page 22 paragraph 5: "Ridgeline designated as visually prominent shall be protected from residential and commercial development." It does not say development along ridgelines is prohibited.

On page 33, Prominent Ridgelines are defined as: "A designation assigned to the most scenic of the City's ridges in order to protect their visual importance. The intent is to limit development on these ridges as much as possible. Zoning would require owners to focus development on suitable portions of their property off the ridgelines. Where there is no suitable property off the ridge itself, then carefully designed and regulated development could be permitted on the ridge. Such ridgeline development would be required to use creative grading and structural design to make the resulting residential units as inconspicuous as possible to those viewing them from a distance. Roadways would be permitted on prominent ridgelines provided they are graded into the contours of the hillside."

The General Plan has maps that show where the Prominent Ridgelines are located. The area we call Linda Mar Woods is NOT designated as a Prominent Ridgeline property on any map in the General Plan. Nor should it be. It is a hill with a flat top, not a steep ridge.

But if Linda Mar Woods were considered a Prominent Ridgeline property, development is not prohibited. It is allowed, provided the residential units are as inconspicuous as possible. We intend to build on the crest of the hill and away from the slope, and keep the forest by removing as few trees as possible so the residential units will not be visible from a distance. The forest has a dense canopy with tall trees that will block the site of the homes to be built there.

We have not yet posted our site plan on our website because we are still working on it. We will post it soon. There is false information being posted on another website. Please ignore it and wait to see what our ideas really are. Then offer your thoughts and comments.

John Kontrabecki, the Pacifica General Plan specifically prohibits developments along ridge lines. Not least because of the viewshed implications. And yet your development is deliberately on the ridge line. Will you be asking for a variance on the General Plan? Why would you presume this project is so special that it is allowed to rewrite the rules?

The large project is way oversize -- the area already has all the qualities for quality of life. Crest or hilltop, both are building on the hill, both will slide or just erode, depending on climate and time.

One wonders if this will be another Fassler Fiasco (scarred hillside visible still today), an unfinished project starting out touted as Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) when it was nothing at all.

To Julie and Jay Bird:

There is a difference between hillsides and the crest of a hill. We are planning to develop the crest and are dedicating the hillside as open space.

We are not making inconsistent statements and promises. We are publishing facts in a transparent way so anyone interested can make up their own mind about our plans. Keep visiting our website at and learn about our ideas first hand and unfiltered. Join the conversation and offer up your ideas for improving our community.

With all due respect, making inconsistent statements and promises is what made the defeat of Measure W so seamless in 2016. Deep pockets and flashy materials cannot compete with truth.

Sadly, this plan is ON TOP OF A HILLSIDE.

"Our plan is not to build on the hillsides. The hillsides will be dedicated as open space and available to the public for recreation."


Adding people, development, and infrastructure to an already overpopulated and over-hardscaped place is exactly the opposite of enhancing the ability of humans to live with and be a part of nature.

To Carl May: Published in 1949 as the finale to A Sand County Almanac, Aldo Leopold's “Land Ethic” essay is a call for moral responsibility to the natural world. At its core, the idea of a land ethic is simply caring: about people, about land, and about strengthening the relationships between them.

Our project vision is 100% consistent with Aldo Leopold's legacy. We are strengthening the relationship between people and nature by integrating them harmoniously and making nature more accessible to people.

To Jay Bird:

Your question is: "Does it make sense to build population density on hillsides in a severely drying climate?"

Your question assumes facts that are not in evidence. This is a "straw man" argument. Our plan is not to build on the hillsides. The hillsides will be dedicated as open space and available to the public for recreation.

Please be patient and wait for the real design.

Does it make sense to build population density on hillsides in a severely drying climate?

"Recreational development is a job not of building roads into the lovely country, but of building receptivity into the still unlovely human mind." (Aldo Leopold)

Please visit our website at for information about the community-led initiative to preserve this treasured open space hillside. Thank you!

"No, we do not have a forest management plan yet, although we are aware we need one."

Yeah. What forest? The one you plan on paving over?

"our plan to develop and improve the existing hiking and biking trails on the property"

Commonly known as wreckreation.

Linty Marr: Loved your comment. You sound like you know what you are talking about. No, we do not have a forest management plan yet, although we are aware we need one. It also has to be coordinated with our plan to develop and improve the existing hiking and biking trails on the property we are dedicating as open space. Forest management is a specialized field. I am looking for a consultant who can offer guidance. Do you have anyone you can recommend? If so, go to our website and share your thoughts directly with us.

How does adding a road and shaving a hillside to cram in hundreds of new residents on a slipping hill add to safety? Just another potential fire hazard?

Western U.S. may be entering its most severe drought in modern history

There is no argument that eucalyptus presents a fire hazard and the destruction of non-native habitats, but typical development plans rarely go beyond cosmetic landscaping. Eucalyptus management takes many forms. It can entail simply removing lower limbs, thinning trees, or removing entire stands. Most projects have several phases involving trees, stumps, and slash. Once eucalyptus is cut, an area may be vulnerable to invasions by other non-native plants. Complete site restoration involves collecting local seed,-growing native plants in a nursery, transplanting seedlings, and monitoring them until they get established. While the site is being transformed, vigilant weed removal must also be in progress. These projects take many years and are expensive. Has your development come up with a plan? How and by whom will it be funded?

Jay Bird: The question is not whether hillsides are disorganized. It is whether eucalyptus forests present a risk of wildfires. The understory of the eucalyptus forest contains substantial amounts of thatch and bark, originating from the eucalyptus trees and invasive species growth. They are kindling for flash fires. I am sure the former residents of Paradise, California would say forests near residential properties need to be managed to minimize the risk of wildfires.

Carl May: The author IS NOT trying to describe and defame biologically diverse northern coastal scrub. We hired an environmental firm to conduct an inspection of the hillside to get an expert opinion on what is going on there. They found the property has a monoculture of non-native eucalyptus forest and a landscape dominated by coyote brush scrub, pampas grass, poison oak, cape ivy, English ivy, French broom, ruderland grasses, and other invasive species. The understory of the eucalyptus forest contains substantial amounts of thatch and bark, originating from the eucalyptus trees and invasive species growth.

We are not creating recreation at this property. It was created already by the Linda Mar Community residents who walk, hike, and ride their bikes there every day. What we are considering is making the existing trails more accessible and safer where necessary and introducing a few less challenging trails where less skilled hikers may enjoy a walk in the woods.

Please keep an open mind and wait until you see the rest of it before becoming a critic.

"...full of sagebrush and poison oak..."
Given the ecological crisis that encompasses the related subsets of loss of biodiversity, climate change, human overpopulation, human over-exploitation of natural resources, etc., it is always disturbing to see someone following the developer's playbook with pejorative phrases like the one above. There is no hillside full of the mere two kinds of native plants mentioned. Is the author trying to describe and defame biologically diverse northern coastal scrub?

"Recreation" has an appealing, outdoorsy sound to it; and it sells. But on the scale and in the manner it is being conducted globally, recreation is increasingly being recognized as a major cause of decline in our natural environment, in some large areas (including many parks) on a par with landform- and habitat-destroying development/infrastructure, invasive introduced species, corporate farming, timber harvesting, grazing, mining, energy production, and others. The more artificial the recreation, the worse it is.

To Linty Marr: In response to your comment, I would say that given the heavy emphasis on recreation, environmental preservation, and traffic impact concerns, a new development that enhances recreational access, improves recreational amenities, promotes environmental preservation. improves traffic flow, and promotes fire safety is worth at least taking a look at. Keep an open mind.

"...our vision of how the hillsides should be managed. ..."

YES. Because the hillsides are so --- disorganized.

Now that we have received a significant response to our survey, please permit me to explain the next steps in our community outreach process.

In a few days, we are going to post on the website under the "Existing Conditions" tab photographs and narratives that will show you what the LInda Mar Woods hills look like now. Many of you have never been to the top of the hill because it is a challenging climb full of sagebrush and poison oak. We will show you pictures of the trails created by hikers and bikers and will present an aerial photograph showing you where the trails are located.

After the Existing Conditions are posted, in a few more days we will share our vision of how the hillsides should be managed. This will be posted under the Vision tab. It will include maps and narratives describing our ideas for making the recreational opportunities presented on the site better and more accessible and creating new recreational experiences. We will also show you our plan for making the crest of the hills available for new homes in an economically integrated neighborhood with affordable housing that is fully connected to the recreational amenities.

After we present our vision, we will invite people to join us in videoconference calls on Zoom to provide comments, ask questions, give us their ideas, and provide feedback on our ideas. We will be extending invitations to participate to those who have given us their email address either through the online survey or on the website.

I invite you to join in this process by visiting our website at and leaving your contact information so we may keep you informed and include you in our videoconference calls.

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